Dr. Rhonda Patrick: Micronutrients for Health & Longevity
Huberman hosts Dr. Rhonda Patrick, an expert in brain health, aging, and nutrition. They discuss micronutrients, antioxidants, inflammation, hormones, and immune system regulation. Dr. Patrick provides actionable protocols for obtaining essential nutrients and deliberate cold/heat exposure to benefit metabolism, fitness, mental health, and lifespan.
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Dr. Rhonda Patrick
- Dr. Rhonda Patrick is a podcaster and educator in the fields of mitochondria, metabolism, stress, and brain and body health
- Her podcast, Found My Fitness, is a leading source of information on brain and body health, behavioral tools, micronutrients, supplements, and other protocols
- Dr. Patrick’s research focuses on mitochondrial metabolism, apoptosis (healthy cell death), and cancer biology
- She has published articles in prestigious journals such as Science, Nature, Cell Biology, and Trends in Cell Biology
Micronutrients for Brain and Body Health
- Dr. Patrick discusses the major categories of micronutrients essential for brain and body health
- She provides clear explanations of the biological mechanisms of micronutrients and actionable tools for optimizing brain and body health
- Dr. Patrick also discusses behavioral protocols, such as the use of heat and cold for optimizing metabolism, longevity, and cardiovascular health
Intermittent Challenges and Hormesis
- Examples: temperature changes, physical activity, dietary compounds (e.g. polyphenols, flavonols)
- Can lead to antioxidant, anti-inflammatory responses, production of stem cells, autophagy, etc.
Plants and Hormesis
- Debate on whether plants are good or bad for us
- Some compounds in plants can be harmful, but in small amounts, they provide a hormetic response
- Example: Sulfurophane in broccoli and broccoli sprouts
- Activates NRF2 pathway, which helps detoxify carcinogens
- Can negate increased cancer risk in individuals with certain genetic predispositions
- Broccoli sprouts have up to 100 times more sulfurophane than broccoli
- Cooking can reduce sulfurophane levels, but adding mustard seed powder can increase it
Cold and Heat Exposure
- Cold and heat exposure can activate stress response pathways
- Example: Heat shock proteins activated by both cold and heat
- Overlap between stressors and the genetic pathways they activate
- Appropriate doses of cold and heat exposure can be beneficial
- Too much cold or heat can be harmful or even lethal
Broccoli and Mustard Seed Powder Benefits
- Too much cold or heat can be harmful or even lethal
- Eating cooked broccoli with mustard seed powder can recover beneficial compounds
- Lightly steaming broccoli and adding mustard seed powder provides a slightly spicy taste
- Consuming broccoli and mustard seed powder can activate the NRF2 pathway, which has various health benefits
Moringa Powder Benefits
- Moringa powder is a cousin to sulfuraphane and activates the NRF2 pathway similarly
- Can be added to smoothies for easy consumption
- No affiliation with any specific brand, but Cooley Cooley Moringa powder is science-backed and researched by Dr. Jed Fahey
NRF2 Pathway Activation
- Activating the NRF2 pathway can lead to various health benefits
- Preconditioning with sulfuraphane can protect animals from hypoxia or ischemic stroke conditions
- Sulfuraphane may have potential benefits for traumatic brain injury (TBI) and neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer’s
- NRF2 is expressed in neurons, lungs, liver, and plasma cells, providing protection to various cells in the body
- DNA damage can be lowered by consuming broccoli sprout powder, which activates the NRF2 pathway
Autism and Sulfuraphane
- Sulfuraphane has been shown in randomized controlled trials to help treat autism and autistic symptoms
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It may have benefits related to oxidative stress and glutathione in the brain, which could be relevant for TBI treatment
Glutathione and Sulforaphane - Glutathione increased in the brain after taking sulforaphane
- Important because some compounds in supplement form don’t cross the blood-brain barrier or get metabolized differently
- More studies needed to determine the impact of glutathione on treatment
Top Nutrients for Brain and Body
- Omega‑3 fatty acids (marine omega‑3 fatty acids)
- Found in marine animals, cold water fish, and fatty fish
- Three types: ALA (plant-based), EPA (icosapentinoic acid), and DHA (docahexanoic acid)
Omega‑3 Sources
- Fish oil supplements vs. krill oil supplements
- Krill oil: phospholipid form of DHA and EPA
- Fish oil: triglyceride form (high quality) or ethyl ester form (lower quality, less bioavailable)
- Ethyl ester form should be taken with food
- Prescription omega-3s: Lavaza (mixture of DHA and EPA) and Vasipa (highly purified EPA)
- Prescribed for high triglycerides and dysregulation of lipids
- Dosage: 4 grams per day
Omega‑3 Recommendations
- Splitting EPA and DHA intake: not necessary but can be done
- Over-the-counter fish oil supplements can be beneficial for those without a prescription
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Experiment with going on and off supplements to determine personal benefits
Omega‑3 and Mental Health - Omega‑3 fatty acids, particularly EPA, have been shown to improve mood and mental health
- Inflammation plays a significant role in depression
- Omega‑3 fatty acids can help reduce inflammation
- Studies have shown that people taking 2–4 grams of EPA per day can experience reduced depressive symptoms
- Some people can lower their SSRI dosage or avoid antidepressants altogether
- Omega‑3 fatty acids can also help with bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and impulsive behavior
Krill Oil vs. Fish Oil
- DHA in phospholipid form (found in krill oil) is more bioavailable than in triglyceride form (found in fish oil)
- However, krill oil supplements are often low in omega‑3 content and can be rancid
- DHA in phospholipid form may be particularly beneficial for people with the APOE4 gene, which increases the risk of Alzheimer’s disease
- The body can also produce phospholipid DHA from triglyceride forms
Omega‑3 Index and Life Expectancy
- The omega‑3 index measures omega‑3 levels in red blood cells, providing a long-term marker of omega‑3 status
- The standard American diet has an omega‑3 index of 5%, while Japan has an index of 10–11%
- Japan has a higher life expectancy, which may be partly due to their higher fish and seafood intake
- Studies have shown that people with an omega‑3 index of 4% or lower have a decreased life expectancy compared to those with an 8% index
Omega‑3 and Health - Smokers with high omega‑3 levels have the same life expectancy as non-smokers with low omega‑3 levels
- Omega-3s help resolve inflammation and affect many parts of the inflammatory pathway
- Omega-3s play a role in aging, brain health, mood, and joint health
Food Sources of Omega‑3
- Plant sources: walnuts, flax seeds (rich in ALA)
- Vegan/vegetarian option: microalgae oil (contains DHA)
- Fish sources: sardines, salmon, anchovies
- Grass-fed meat has higher levels of ALA compared to conventional meat, but conversion to EPA and DHA is inefficient
Supplementation and Omega‑3 Index
- To increase omega‑3 index from 4% to 8%, supplement with at least 2 grams of omega‑3 per day
- Most Americans have an omega‑3 index of 4–5% without supplementation
- Omega‑3 index measures the percentage of omega-3s in red blood cells, which take 120 days to turn over
- Omega Quant offers omega‑3 index testing
Research and Conflicting Data
- Conflicting data may be due to measuring plasma omega‑3 levels instead of the omega‑3 index in red blood cells
- More researchers should use the omega‑3 index for accurate results
Omega‑3 Index and Randomized Controlled Trials - Omega‑3 index is a better measurement for omega‑3 levels
- Randomized controlled trials have limitations
- Collaboration among scientists is needed for progress
Omega‑3 and Mood
- Omega‑3 fatty acids regulate inflammation
- Resolvens and specialized pro-resolving mediators (SPMs) help resolve inflammation
- EPA and DHA affect leukotrines, prostaglandins, and platelet aggregation
- Inflammation can inhibit serotonin release
- EPA and DHA can blunt inflammatory responses, allowing more serotonin release
- DHA is important for cell membrane fluidity
- Affects structure and function of receptors and transporters on neurons
- Deficiency in DHA can affect serotonin and dopamine receptors
Sources of DHA
- Fish is a good source of DHA and EPA
- Salmon roe (fish eggs) is a high source of phosphatidylcholine DHA
Vitamin D
- Produced when in the sun, but efficiency varies based on factors like melanin, age, and sunscreen use
- Darker skin requires more sun exposure to produce the same amount of vitamin D as lighter skin
- 70% of the US population has inadequate vitamin D levels
- Ideal vitamin D levels are between 40–60 nanograms per milliliter
- Vitamin D is a steroid hormone that binds to a receptor and affects various functions in the body
Vitamin D and Its Importance - Vitamin D is a steroid hormone
- Regulates more than 5% of the protein-encoded human genome
- Affects immune system, blood pressure, water retention, bone homeostasis, and more
- 70% of the US population is deficient in vitamin D
- Deficiency linked to higher all-cause mortality, respiratory-related mortality, cancer-related mortality, and increased risk of multiple sclerosis
Vitamin D Synthesis
- Skin is an endocrine organ
- Sun exposure triggers the production of vitamin D
- Efficiency decreases with age
- Vitamin D can be found in fatty fish and fortified foods (e.g., milk, soy milk, almond milk)
Supplementation
- Vitamin D3 is a good form of supplementation
- 1,000 IUs of vitamin D raises blood levels by around 5 nanograms per milliliter
- Vitamin D2 is a plant source, often found in fortified foods
- Measure vitamin D levels before and after supplementation to determine effectiveness
- Single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) can affect the conversion of vitamin D precursors and impact supplementation needs
Vitamin D and Serotonin
- Vitamin D activates tryptophan hydroxylase 2, an enzyme that converts tryptophan into serotonin in the brain
- Serotonin is important for mood regulation
- Vitamin D may also repress tryptophan hydroxylase 1 in the gut
Recommendations
- Get vitamin D levels tested
- Consider supplementation with vitamin D3
- Monitor levels and adjust supplementation as needed
- Time of day and relation to sun exposure may not be crucial factors for supplementation
Vitamin D and Sun Exposure - Importance of getting vitamin D levels tested
- 1,000 to 5,000 IUs of vitamin D3 supplementation considered reasonably safe for most people
- Sun exposure on skin increases hormones like testosterone and estrogen
- Surface area of skin exposed to the sun matters for vitamin D production
- Sunscreen concerns: some compounds in sunscreen can cross the blood-brain barrier and be potentially harmful
Magnesium
- 40% of the US population doesn’t get enough magnesium
- Essential mineral involved in vitamin D metabolism, making ATP, and DNA repair enzymes
- Magnesium insufficiency may cause insidious daily damage that is not visible
- DNA repair enzymes require magnesium as a cofactor to function properly
Magnesium and Diet - Magnesium is at the center of a chlorophyll molecule
- Dark leafy greens are high in magnesium
- 40% insufficiency in the US due to lack of greens in the diet
- Examples of dark leafy greens: kale, spinach, chard, romaine lettuce
- Cooking can release magnesium from food matrix, but also goes into water
- Steaming or incorporating water in cooking can help retain magnesium
Magnesium Supplementation
- Different forms of magnesium: citrate, three and eight, bisclycinate, malate
- Magnesium citrate can cause GI distress at high doses
- Magnesium three and eight may have neuroprotective effects, but more research needed
- Magnesium malate may improve recovery time from exercise
Intermittent Challenges for Health
- Intermittent challenges include: intermittent fasting, cold exposure, heat exposure, exercise
- Cold exposure can lead to long-lasting increases in epinephrine (adrenaline) and other neuromodulators
- Cold protocols for metabolism, mood effects, and brown fat stimulation:
- 20 seconds of immersion in 49-degree Fahrenheit water
- More research needed to determine optimal protocols
Cold Exposure and Its Effects
- Cold exposure can increase dopamine levels
- Mood-enhancing effects can last for hours
- Different from other dopamine-increasing substances (e.g., Adderall, Ritalin, caffeine) that cause a spike and crash
- Cold exposure can cause the release of norepinephrine in the brain
- Acts as a hormone and regulates various molecular functions related to cold adaptation
- Can lead to increased focus and reduced anxiety
UCP One and Cold Adaptation
- Norepinephrine activates a gene called UCP One (Uncoupling Protein One)
- Allows mitochondria to produce heat more efficiently than shivering
- Mitochondria uncouple their energy production, creating heat instead of ATP
- Cold adaptation can lead to increased mitochondria in adipose tissue
- Regulated by norepinephrine through a protein called PGC‑1 alpha
- More mitochondria per adipose cell, allowing for more efficient heat production
- Referred to as the “browning of fat”
White, Beige, and Brown Fat
- White fat: typical fat cells that store energy
- Beige fat: intermediate fat cells that can be activated to become thermogenic
- Brown fat: fat cells with more mitochondria, darker in appearance, and more efficient at producing heat
- Cold exposure can convert white fat to beige fat, and beige fat can take on thermogenic characteristics
- More cold exposure can lead to more brown fat and better cold tolerance
Brown Fat and Thermogenesis
- Researchers trying to create a pill to increase brown fat and thermogenesis
- Affects metabolism, but not the only factor in weight loss
- Cold exposure, dietary changes, and exercise also important
- Cold exposure increases mitochondria in muscle tissue
- PGC‑1 alpha involved in mitochondrial biogenesis
- More mitochondria associated with improved muscle mass and endurance
High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT)
- Can increase mitochondrial biogenesis
- Especially beneficial for older individuals
- Helps maintain healthy, young mitochondria
- Dr. Rhonda Patrick’s exercise routine
- 3–4 times a week: 10-minute high-intensity interval Tabata workouts on a stationary bike (Peloton)
- Competitive aspect of group classes motivates her to push harder
- Uses sauna after workouts to maintain elevated heart rate and manage stress
Sauna Use
- Dr. Rhonda Patrick started using the sauna in 2009
- Noticed improved stress management and reduced anxiety
- Releases endorphins and dynorphin, which can help with stress and mood regulation
Dinorphine and Kappa Opioid Receptor
- Dinorphine: endogenous opioid that binds to the kappa opioid receptor
- Responsible for dysphoric feelings during exercise or heat stress
- Negatively impacts dopamine receptor system
- Kappa opioid receptor binding may sensitize mu opioid receptor
- Increases sensitivity to feel-good endorphins
- May have lasting effects on mood and well-being
Sauna Use and Memory
- Sauna use may improve memory and learning
- Combination of stress response and vasodilation
- Increased blood flow to the brain
- Positive association with the context of the sauna
- Studies show a dose-dependent effect of sauna use on dementia and Alzheimer’s disease risk
- 4–7 times per week: greater than 60% reduction in risk
- 2–3 times per week: greater than 20% reduction in risk
Sauna Use and Cardiovascular Health
- Sauna use linked to reduced cardiovascular mortality
- 4–7 times per week: 50% reduction in cardiovascular-related mortality
- 2–3 times per week: 24% reduction in cardiovascular-related mortality
- Dose-dependent effect on sudden cardiac death risk
- 4–7 times per week: greater than 60% lower risk
- Duration of sauna use also important
- 11 minutes: 8% reduction in cardiovascular disease-related death
- 20 minutes: 50% reduction in cardiovascular disease-related death
Sauna Use vs. Moderate Intensity Aerobic Exercise
- Sauna use has similar physiological effects to moderate intensity aerobic exercise
- Heart rate elevation, blood pressure increase during activity
- Resting heart rate decrease, blood pressure improvement after activity
- Sauna use may be beneficial for those unable to engage in traditional exercise
- Disabled individuals or those with physical limitations
- Safety concerns should be considered
Sauna Use and Health Benefits
- Sauna use can improve cardiorespiratory fitness
- Synergistic effect when combined with exercise
- Heat stress from sauna use activates heat shock proteins
- Helps maintain proper protein structure in cells
- Prevents protein aggregation in the brain and arteries
- Associated with protection against Alzheimer’s disease and cardiovascular health
- Heat shock proteins also associated with human longevity
- People with more active heat shock protein 70 live longer on average
Sauna Use Recommendations
- 20 minutes at 170 degrees Fahrenheit, 4 times per week
- More frequent use may provide additional benefits
- Avoid sauna use if trying to conceive (for men)
- Sperm motility and production decrease with heat exposure
- Returns to normal after 6 months of avoiding sauna use
Alternatives to Sauna Use
- Hot baths can provide similar benefits
- 104 degrees Fahrenheit for 20 minutes (shoulders down)
- Activates heat shock proteins and increases brain-derived neurotrophic factor
- Protects against muscle atrophy from disuse
- Can be used when injured or unable to exercise
Sauna and Exercise for Brain Health
- Sauna use and exercise have positive effects on the brain
- Mind wandering and problem-solving during exercise
- Exercise as a longevity drug for the brain
- Load-bearing exercises release osteocalcin
- Acts like a hormone, travels to the hippocampus
- Induces neuron proliferation, synapse growth, and BDNF release
- Importance of sharing personal protocols
- Helps others find a starting point for their own health journey
Red Light Sauna
- Mixed opinions on red light saunas
- Some find them not hot enough
- Acknowledgment of red light and low-level light therapies’ benefits
- Nobel Prize in 1988 for phototherapy for lupus
- Positive effects on biology and health
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