The Science & Treatment of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD)
Huberman explores the biology and psychology of OCD, discussing its treatments—behavioral, pharmacologic, holistic, and emerging options. He explains the neural circuitry behind OCD and the effectiveness of therapies like exposure therapy and SSRIs. This episode is valuable for individuals with OCD, OCPD, and anyone interested in understanding the brain’s control over thoughts and actions.
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Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD)
- OCD includes thoughts (obsessions) and actions (compulsions)
- Obsessions are intrusive and recurrent
- Compulsions provide brief relief but often reinforce obsessions
- OCPD is distinct from OCD
- People with OCPD may be “obsessive” but do not have the same intrusive, recurrent obsessions as those with OCD
Treatments for OCD
- Range from behavioral therapies to drug therapies and brain stimulation
- Some holistic or natural therapies may also be effective
- The sequence of applying these therapies is important for successful outcomes
Understanding the Brain and Nervous System in OCD
- Provides insight into how thought is translated into action
- Offers a greater understanding of goal-directed behavior
- Helps differentiate between OCD and OCPD
Therapy Options for OCD
- By understanding the disease state, individuals can better direct treatments for themselves or others
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Information covered in the podcast can also provide insight into general human functioning and behavior
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) - OCD is different from obsessive-compulsive personality disorder
- OCD: intrusive and recurrent obsessions
- Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder: patterns of thought that people invite or like
- OCD is extremely common
- Estimates: 2.5% to 4% of people suffer from OCD
- Many cases go unnoticed or unreported due to shame or hiding
- Debilitating effects of OCD
- Ranked 7th in most debilitating illnesses
- Takes time away from other aspects of life
- Focus on obsessions and compulsions prevents focus on other tasks
- Often related to taboo topics
- Three general categories of OCD
- Checking obsessions and compulsions
- Example: checking locks or stoves multiple times
- Repetition obsessions and compulsions
- Example: counting numbers or performing actions repeatedly
- Order obsessions and compulsions
- Example: cleanliness, symmetry, or incompleteness
- Can also involve disgust or contamination concerns
- Checking obsessions and compulsions
- OCD can affect multiple domains of life
- Thought patterns and behaviors take over the environment
- Can impact work, school, relationships, and daily activities
Obsessions, Compulsions, and Anxiety
- Obsessions and compulsions are bound by anxiety
- Anxiety: heightened state of autonomic arousal without a clear and present danger
- Example: fear of turning left on a street
- Obsession: belief that turning left will lead to something bad happening
- Compulsion: always turning right to avoid the perceived danger
- Anxiety reinforces the obsession and compulsion
Genetic Component of OCD
- 40–50% of OCD cases have some genetic component
- Based on twin studies
- Not always directly inherited from a parent
- Genetic component not always useful for treatment, as genes cannot be controlled
Neural Mechanisms of OCD
- Understanding the biological mechanisms can help shed light on why particular treatments work or don’t work
- Brain’s main functions:
- Housekeeping: digestion, heart rate, breathing, sensory functions
- Prediction: anticipating what will happen next based on past experiences and memory systems
- Neural circuitry in OCD not fully understood, but involves the interaction between housekeeping functions and prediction systems
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and the Brain - OCD involves neural circuits in the brain
- Nervous system connects brain and body, affecting reactions to thoughts and experiences
- Neural circuits involved in OCD include:
- Cortex: involved in perception and understanding
- Striatum: involved in action selection and holding back action (go and no-go behaviors)
- Thalamus: relays sensory information to the cortex, allowing certain experiences to pass through to conscious awareness
- Thalamic Reticular Nucleus: serves as a gate, regulating which information is allowed to pass through to conscious awareness and which is not
- Dysfunction in these circuits is thought to underlie OCD
Studying OCD in the Lab
- Researchers use neuroimaging techniques (MRI, PET) to study brain activity in people with OCD
- Experiments involve evoking obsessions and compulsions in subjects with OCD
- Example: presenting a contaminated towel to someone with a germ obsession and compulsion to hand wash
- Brain regions that are more active during obsessions and compulsions are part of the corticostriatal thalamic loop
- Drug treatments (e.g., SSRIs) can suppress obsessions and compulsions, as well as the activity in these neural circuits
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) Diagnosis and Treatments - Yale Brown Obsessive Compulsive Scale (Y‑BOCS) is a common diagnostic tool
- Defines obsessions and compulsions
- Categories include aggressive obsessions, contamination obsessions, sexual obsessions, saving obsessions, moral obsessions, and need for symmetry and exactness
- Identifies target symptoms and the fears driving the obsessions
- Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and Exposure Therapy
- Powerful treatment for many people with OCD
- Addresses the underlying neural circuitry that generates OCD and interrupts it
- Different from CBT and exposure therapies for other mental challenges and disorders
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and Exposure Therapy for OCD
- Exposure-based CBT
- Encourages or forces patients to define their biggest, most catastrophic fear
- Helps disrupt the corticostriatal thalamic loop and provide relief from symptoms
- Identifies the fear driving the obsession and compulsion
- Different from CBT and exposure therapies for other mental challenges and disorders
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) for OCD
- CBT focuses on identifying the utmost fear in OCD patients
- OCD patients often not consciously aware of their fears
- Clinicians probe patients to reveal the underlying obsession
- Goal of CBT for OCD: increase anxiety, not decrease it
- Interrupt the neural circuit of anxiety relief brought on by compulsions
- Teach patients to tolerate anxiety without engaging in compulsions
- CBT for OCD is distinct from other anxiety-related disorders
- Involves bringing patients close to their fears and interrupting the circuit
- Staircasing: gradual and progressive increase in anxiety
- Done in a clinical setting with a trained and licensed clinician
- Homework: vital component of CBT for OCD
- Patients practice tolerating anxiety and interrupting compulsions outside of the clinical setting
- Helps patients deal with familiar environments that may trigger obsessions and compulsions
- Condition place preference/avoidance: feeling something repeatedly in a given environment
- Can influence how patients feel when returning to familiar environments
- Important to address in CBT for OCD to ensure long-term success of treatment
Daytime and Nighttime Break-ins
- Common in the Bay Area, leading to stolen items
- Reminder to not leave anything in cars
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) for OCD
- Homework assignments given by clinicians
- Home visits by therapists to observe patients’ behaviors in their environment
- Exposure therapy: gradually increasing anxiety levels and preventing compulsions
- Goals: disconfirm fears, challenge beliefs, intervene in thoughts and behaviors, break habit of ritualizing and avoiding
CBT and Exposure Therapy Protocol
- Two planning sessions with the patient
- 15 exposure sessions done twice a week or more
- Can take 10–12 weeks for treatment
Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs)
- Drugs that prevent the reuptake of serotonin at the synapse
- Used in the treatment of OCD
- Can also take 10–12 weeks or longer for treatment
Dr. Helen Blair Simpson
- MD, PhD, and expert in OCD research and treatment
- Conducts research on OCD mechanisms and treatments
- Treats OCD patients in her own clinic
- Explores the best treatments for OCD patients by comparing CBT, placebo, and SSRIs
SSRIs and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for OCD - SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) increase serotonin availability in the brain
- Study compared cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), SSRIs, placebo, and CBT + SSRIs for OCD treatment
- Placebo had no significant effect on OCD symptoms
- CBT had a dramatic effect in reducing OCD symptoms
- SSRIs had a significant effect in reducing OCD symptoms, but not as much as CBT
- Combining CBT and SSRIs from the outset did not lead to further decrease in OCD symptoms
- Adding CBT to someone already taking SSRIs further improves their symptoms
- Ideal scenario: combine drug treatment with CBT or use CBT alone (with physician’s advice)
- Common SSRIs: Fluoxetine (Prozac), Fluvoxamine (Fluvox), Paroxetine, Sertraline, Citalopram, etc.
- Side effects vary: appetite changes, libido changes, transient effects
- Important to work closely with a psychiatrist for proper dosage and monitoring
- Little evidence that serotonin system is disrupted in OCD, despite SSRIs being effective in reducing symptoms
Pharmacotherapeutic Strategies and New Targets in OCD - Review by Christopher Pittenger from Yale University School of Medicine
- Serotonin system not directly disrupted in OCD, but SSRIs can be effective
- Serotonin 2A and 1A receptors are potential targets for drug development
- Psilocybin, a psychedelic, is being studied for its potential in treating OCD
- Clinical trials at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine show effectiveness in treating depression
- Results for OCD treatment are inconclusive so far
- Psilocybin, a psychedelic, is being studied for its potential in treating OCD
Serotonin and Cognitive Flexibility
- Serotonin implicated in cognitive flexibility and inflexibility, which are themes in OCD
- Low levels of serotonin can lead to cognitive inflexibility and challenges in task switching
- Serotonergic drugs are most effective in treating OCD, despite no direct evidence of serotonin system disruption
Combination Treatments for OCD
- Some patients do not respond to CBT or SSRIs, leading to exploration of other drug treatments
- Combination of SSRIs and neuroleptics (drugs that tap into dopamine or glutamate systems)
- Neuromodulators like dopamine and serotonin change the overall activity patterns in the brain
- Affect different circuits, making certain circuits more or less likely to be active
Alternative Drug Treatments for OCD
- Psilocybin and cannabis have been explored for OCD treatment
- Cannabis can reduce anxiety, but its effectiveness in treating OCD is still under investigation
- Study by Dr. Blair Simpson: Acute Effects of Cannabinoids on Symptoms of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
- 14 adults with OCD, randomized, placebo-controlled
- Participants smoked cannabis with varying levels of THC and CBD
- Results inconclusive, further research needed
CBD and OCD
- Study by Dr. Blair Simpson: Acute Effects of Cannabinoids on Symptoms of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
- Cannabis can reduce anxiety, but its effectiveness in treating OCD is still under investigation
- Study in 2020: first placebo-controlled investigation of cannabis in adults with OCD
- Explored different percentages of THC and CBD in cannabis cigarettes
- Results: smoked cannabis (with THC or CBD) had little acute impact on OCD symptoms
- Smaller reductions in anxiety compared to placebo
- No clear evidence that cannabis or CBD can alleviate OCD symptoms
Ketamine and OCD
- Ketamine acts on the glutamate system, disrupting the relationship between glutamate and the NMDA receptor
- Used extensively for the treatment of trauma and depression
- Early studies on ketamine therapy for OCD show some relief for some patients, but not overwhelmingly effective
- More extensive clinical trials needed
Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS) and OCD
- Non-invasive treatment using a magnetic coil to suppress or activate particular brain regions
- Can interrupt motor behaviors (compulsions) associated with OCD
- Some effectiveness in reducing OCD symptoms, but not a magic bullet
- Best used in combination with drug treatments or cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT)
Cannabis and OCD
- Cannabis increases focus, which may not be beneficial for OCD symptoms
- Study did not show improvement in OCD symptoms with cannabis or CBD
- Thoughts are not as bad as actions: important for OCD sufferers to understand
Hormones and OCD
- Research on the roles of hormones in OCD is ongoing
- Understanding the relationship between hormones and OCD may lead to new treatment options
OCD and Intrusive Thoughts - People with OCD have intrusive and disturbing thoughts
- Treatment for OCD involves supporting the patient and helping them realize thoughts are just thoughts
- Thoughts are not actions; actions can harm us, thoughts can be troubling but are not as bad as actions
Hormones in OCD
- Study: “Neurosteroid levels in Patients with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder”
- Explored serum neurosteroid levels in people with OCD
- Compared serum levels of progesterone, pregnenolone, DHEA, cortisol, and testosterone in 30 patients with OCD and 30 healthy controls
- Findings:
- Females with OCD: significantly elevated cortisol and DHEA
- Males with OCD: increased cortisol and significant reductions in testosterone
- Relationship between hormones and GABA:
- DHEA is a potent antagonist of the GABA system
- Testosterone also affects the GABA system
- Hormone patterns in OCD patients result in overall reduction in GABA, leading to increased excitation in certain brain networks
Potential Treatments
- Manipulations of hormone systems might prove useful in adjusting the symptoms of OCD
- Many treatments for reducing DHEA, increasing testosterone, or reducing cortisol are FDA-approved and available in generic form
- Hormones impact neurotransmitters and neuromodulators, which impact the circuits involved in OCD
- Testosterone therapy has been effective in treating anxiety-related disorders, but not specifically studied in OCD
Nontraditional Treatments for OCD - Mindfulness meditation
- Increases ability to focus
- Can be useful in OCD treatment by impacting focus on cognitive behavioral therapies
- Indirectly improves OCD symptoms
- Nutraceuticals (over-the-counter supplements)
- Large number of compounds and supplements explored for OCD treatment
- Some examples:
- 5‑HTP and tryptophan (serotonin pathway)
- Can improve/reduce OCD symptoms similarly to SSRIs
- Inositol (900mg)
- Can improve sleep, reduce anxiety, and enhance focus/alertness
- High dosages (10–12 grams) can cause gastric discomfort
- 5‑HTP and tryptophan (serotonin pathway)
- Future exploration of nutraceuticals in combination with behavioral therapies and brain-machine interfaces
Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD)
- Distinct from OCD
- Does not have intrusive thoughts or overwhelming obsessions
- Obsessions can sometimes serve or be welcomed by the individual
- Important to be careful with language and not confuse OCPD with OCD
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) vs. Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD) - OCD and OCPD are different disorders with different effects on a person’s life
- Both can cause impairments in psychosocial functioning and quality of life
- Key differences between the two:
- OCD is characterized by intrusive thoughts and obsessions that disrupt normal functioning
- OCPD can be both adaptive and maladaptive, depending on the context and degree of expression
OCD
- Intrusive thoughts and obsessions
- Interrupts normal functioning in life
- Impairing in mild, moderate, or severe forms
OCPD
- Can be productive and enhance functioning in certain domains of life (e.g., work, home organization)
- Can synergize well with activities and professions that require precision and delayed gratification (e.g., architecture, science, mathematics, engineering)
- Range of expressions, some adaptive and some maladaptive, depending on context
Superstitions and Motor Sequences
- Research by Bensolevsky at Harvard on motor sequences and learning
- As animals and humans learn a particular motor sequence, they often introduce irrelevant motor patterns that persist
- Example: pitchers in baseball performing the same sequence of irrelevant motor patterns before each pitch
Superstitions and OCD - Superstitions: beliefs linked to the probability of an outcome with no rational relationship
- Can become compulsions and obsessions when repeated often enough
- People with OCD tend to have more superstitions
- People with more superstitions tend to have a tendency towards OCD
- Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD) represents the next level along the continuum
Treatments for OCD
- Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)
- Drug treatments like SSRIs
- Drug treatments that tap into the glutamate system and dopamine system (neuroleptics)
- Exploration of substances like Ketamine, psilocybin, and cannabis
- Initial studies don’t show much promise for cannabis and CBD in treating OCD
- Brain machine interface, like transcranial magnetic stimulation
- Combinations of behavioral and drug treatments and brain machine interface are the future
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