The Science of MDMA & Its Therapeutic Uses: Benefits & Risks
Huberman dives deep into the fascinating world of MDMA, examining its impact on emotional processing, addiction treatment, and PTSD therapy. Covering neuronal mechanisms, neurotoxicity debates, legal considerations, and more, this episode offers valuable insights into neuropharmacology, mental health, and the therapeutic potential of MDMA.
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History of MDMA
- Synthesized by Merck in the early 1900s
- No initial clinical use or exploration
- Rediscovered by Alexander Shulgin, a renegade drug chemist
- Shulgin designed drugs to understand their subjective effects on humans
- Shared drugs with his wife, friends, therapists, and physicians
- Initially not illegal, but later became illegal and scrutinized by the DEA
- MDMA is a synthetic compound, not found in nature
- Unique and exciting for clinical treatment due to its distinct effects
Chemical and Subjective Effects of MDMA
- Similar to mescaline in chemical properties and some subjective properties
- Unique compound with no other known natural or pharmaceutical equivalent
- Produces powerful increases in dopamine and serotonin
- Acts as an empathogen, increasing social connectedness and empathy
- Used recreationally and in clinical trials for PTSD treatment
- Distinct difference between recreational and therapeutic use
Clinical Trials and Therapeutic Use of MDMA
- Exciting results in treating PTSD
- Unprecedented success in the field of psychiatry
- Requires appropriate and safe use in conjunction with therapy sessions
- Ongoing exploration of MDMA’s potential toxicity and long-term effects
- Possible neurotoxicity, but ways to use therapeutically that avoid toxicity
- Discussion of dosages, spacing between sessions, and offsetting potential toxicity
Peacol: A Book on MDMA - Peacol (Phenylethylamines I Have Known and Loved) by Shogen
- Describes the discovery and synthesis of MDMA
- Provides insight into the history of the pharmaceutical industry, the war on drugs, and the interaction between illegal drug exploration and clinical treatment of psychiatric challenges
- MDMA is currently granted breakthrough status, allowing scientists and clinicians to study it with authorization
- Still a Schedule 1 drug and illegal to possess without permission
- On the cusp of becoming legal for medical use
What is MDMA?
- MDMA: 3,4‑methylenedioxymethamphetamine
- Methamphetamine component: blocks the reuptake of dopamine from neurons after dopamine is released
- Increases dopamine levels
- Methylene dioxymethamphetamine component: increases serotonin levels
- Blocks reuptake of serotonin and increases serotonin release
- Increases in serotonin are 3–8 times greater than the increases in dopamine
- Unique combination of increased dopamine and serotonin levels leads to mood elevation, stimulation, and pro-social effects
- Methamphetamine component: blocks the reuptake of dopamine from neurons after dopamine is released
Effects of MDMA
- Dopamine increase: stimulant effect
- Alertness, increased talking, excitement, positive motivation
- Serotonin increase: pro-social effect
- Feeling more socially connected, rating fearful faces as less fearful, rating happy faces as more positive
- Combination of dopamine and serotonin increase: empathogen effect
- Empathy for others and oneself, including past experiences
- Potential benefits for the treatment of PTSD
Distinguishing MDMA from Other Psychedelics
- MDMA is different from classic psychedelics like psilocybin and LSD
- Psilocybin and LSD mainly increase serotonin activation in the brain
- Ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic, used for the treatment of depression
- MDMA is an empathogen with stimulant properties and a serotonergic component
- MDMA is more of a mood-impacting drug than mystical
MDMA’s Unique Effects
- Combination of big increases in dopamine and even bigger increases in serotonin
- Creates a situation where people have more energy and pleasure
- Increases trust and emotional warmth towards others and oneself
- MDMA can augment or boost the effects of talk therapy for PTSD
- Does not cure PTSD on its own
Serotonin Receptors and MDMA
- MDMA activates the serotonin 1B receptor
- Creates a desire to bond, create trust, and engage in conversations
- Psilocybin and LSD activate the serotonin 2A receptor
- Leads to more interconnectedness between different brain areas
- Opens neuroplasticity and rewiring of neural connections
Neural Circuits Activated and Modified by MDMA
- Short-term effects: Increases in trust, pleasure, energy, and emotional warmth
- Long-term effects: Potential neuroplastic or rewiring changes
- Can be beneficial or not beneficial, depending on the context and individual
Understanding MDMA’s Effects on the Brain
- Experiments can be done using functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI)
- Can examine how interconnected certain brain areas are and their activity levels
- Helps to understand the neural circuit phenomena and potential neurotoxicity issues
Effects of MDMA on the Brain
- Addresses the Default Mode Network (DMN)
- Active when not attending to anything specific
- Related to imagination, daydreaming, and self-referencing thoughts
- Studies on MDMA effects:
- fMRI scans to see brain network activation changes
- Comparing brain images of people who have taken MDMA to those who haven’t
- Giving different dosages of MDMA and observing responses to stimuli
- Animal studies on MDMA effects:
- Social activity changes in mice
- Octopuses show increased social behavior
- Common basis: activation of more serotonin release in brain networks
MDMA’s Impact on Perception and Emotions
- Study by Harriet De Witt (University of Chicago)
- Effects of MDMA on sociability and neural responses to social threat and social reward
- Findings:
- Response to threatening faces/stimuli reduced (reductions in amygdala activity)
- Respond more positively to happy faces
- Bi-directional effect on perception of others’ emotions
Dosages of MDMA in Studies
- Range: 0.75 to 1.5 milligrams per kilogram of body weight
- Clinical studies may include a “booster” dose later in the session
- Toxicity of MDMA scales with dosage and frequency of use
Brain Areas Affected by MDMA
- Amygdala: involved in threat detection systems, fear, and other functions
- Insula: important for interoception (perception of feelings and emotional states)
- Heightened connectivity between amygdala and insula in PTSD patients
- MDMA may help reduce this heightened connectivity
Interoception and Exteroception
- Interoception: ability to focus on sensations within the body
- Examples: fullness of gut, emotions, tiredness/alertness
- Exteroception: ability to focus on things beyond the body
- Examples: visual attention, auditory attention, external events
- Insula: brain area critical for interoception
- Contains a map of the complete body surface, including internal organs
- Amygdala: involved in threat detection
- Has direct connections with the insula
PTSD and Brain Networks
- People with PTSD have stronger connections between the amygdala and insula
- Heightened input from threat detection centers to interoceptive centers
- Functional imaging studies show changes in brain connectivity between amygdala and insula in people with PTSD
- Reductions in connections between these areas correlate with reductions in PTSD symptoms
MDMA and Brain Connectivity
- MDMA does not produce long-lasting increases in lateral connectivity between brain networks like psilocybin and LSD
- However, it does change resting state functional connectivity within limbic structures (e.g., amygdala)
- Studies show that MDMA reduces blood flow to the amygdala and hippocampus, leading to decreased threat detection and increased positive mood
- These changes persist even after the drug has worn off
MDMA, Dopamine, Serotonin, and Oxytocin
- Animal studies have explored the roles of dopamine and serotonin in the motivational and prosocial effects of MDMA
- Results in mice translate well to humans for these types of circuits
- Oxytocin, a hormone involved in social bonding, may also play a role in the effects of MDMA
MDMA Effects on the Brain - MDMA increases dopamine and serotonin
- Dopamine: establishes rewarding effects of an experience
- Serotonin: increases social interaction and empathy
- Activation of serotonin 1B receptor in the nucleus accumbens leads to pro-social effects of MDMA
- Different from LSD and psilocybin, which activate serotonin 2A receptor
- MDMA also increases oxytocin release
- Oxytocin: neurohormone involved in bonding (parent-child, friends, lovers, etc.)
- Study: plasma oxytocin concentrations increased after taking 1.5 mg/kg of body weight of MDMA
MDMA vs. Other Drugs
- Methamphetamine: reduces social interaction, unlike MDMA
- SSRIs (e.g., Prozac, Zoloft): increase serotonin but do not create the same effects as MDMA
- Giving an SSRI prior to MDMA can block the pro-social and empathogenic effects of MDMA
- This is due to the complexity of polypharmacology and the activation of specific serotonin receptors in specific brain areas
Oxytocin and Bonding
- Oxytocin: involved in bonding between people and other creatures, as well as the breaking of those bonds
- Humans can have strong oxytocin responses to their pets, particularly dogs, and vice versa
- MDMA powerfully increases oxytocin release, which may contribute to its pro-social and empathogenic effects
Oxytocin and MDMA - Oxytocin: hormone involved in bonding and social behavior
- MDMA increases oxytocin levels by nearly fivefold
- Study: compared oxytocin levels in people given MDMA, placebo, or oxytocin nasal spray
- Measured subjective feelings of connectedness, sociability, and other factors
- Results: MDMA-induced oxytocin increase does not appear to be the source of prosocial effects
- Animal studies: blocking oxytocin receptor in mice given MDMA did not change sociability
- Humans: oxytocin nasal spray increased oxytocin levels but did not increase sociability
- Some people have a different version of the oxytocin receptor gene that may affect MDMA’s prosocial effects
- Bulk of data points to serotonin and dopamine increases as main factors in MDMA’s effects
Safety and Neurotoxicity of MDMA
- Discussion focuses on pure MDMA in laboratory or clinical settings
- Recreational use of MDMA often contaminated with dangerous substances like fentanyl
- Neurotoxicity: MDMA increases dopamine and serotonin, which can promote electrical activity in neurons
- High levels of dopamine can be neurotoxic
- Methamphetamine: known to cause neurotoxicity and brain degeneration
- Combining caffeine with amphetamines or MDMA can increase neurotoxicity
- Animal studies: some evidence of loss of serotonergic tone in brains of animals given MDMA
- Depletion of neuromodulators in the short term is not the same as long-term depletion or loss of neurons
- Non-human primate studies: data suggests MDMA might not be as neurotoxic as thought based on rodent studies
MDMA and Neurotoxicity - MDMA, also known as ecstasy, has been controversial due to claims of neurotoxicity
- A 2002 study in Science claimed severe dopaminergic neurotoxicity in primates after recreational doses of MDMA
- Study was later retracted due to issues with labeling and mislabeling of MDMA and methamphetamine
- No clear data on neurotoxicity in humans or non-human primates at clinically relevant doses of pure MDMA
- Some studies on moderate and heavy MDMA users with minimal exposure to other drugs show little evidence of decreased cognitive performance
- However, there is an increase in impulsivity, but it is unclear whether MDMA causes this or if more impulsive people are more likely to take MDMA
- Pure MDMA in controlled clinical settings may have a lower risk of neurotoxicity than popularly believed
- Risk increases with higher doses, frequent use, and consumption of other drugs
- Risk also increases in settings where blood pressure or body temperature can be greatly increased, as MDMA is a psychostimulant that increases blood pressure, heart rate, and body temperature
MDMA and Neurotoxicity
- Environmental and behavioral conditions are important when considering MDMA’s potential neurotoxicity
- Pure MDMA vs. mixed with other substances (e.g., methamphetamine)
- MDMA taken with caffeine or in high-temperature environments can increase neurotoxicity
- Polypharmacology: the ingestion of other compounds before, during, or after MDMA session can impact its effects
MDMA Crash and Myths
- Crash: drop in mood, increase in lethargy, and lack of motivation after taking MDMA
- Commonly believed to be due to depletion of serotonin or dopamine, or death of serotonergic and dopaminergic neurons
- Taking amino acid precursors to serotonin (L‑tryptophan) or dopamine (L‑tyrosine) is not supported by evidence and may be detrimental
- Prolactin: hormone that increases after MDMA ingestion, potentially causing the crash
- Prolactin is involved in various functions, including lethargy and decreased dopamine
- P5P (a metabolite of vitamin B6) may suppress prolactin and help with the crash, but more research is needed
PTSD and Trauma
- PTSD: post-traumatic stress disorder, caused by emotional trauma from single or multiple events
- Can be first-person or third-person experiences
- Treatment for PTSD
- Quality talk therapy with rapport, support, and insight
- Dr. Paul Conti’s book “Trauma” recommended for understanding trauma and its treatment
- MDMA is being explored in clinical trials for augmenting treatment for PTSD
MDMA-Assisted Therapy for PTSD - Talk therapy alone often doesn’t provide long-lasting relief for PTSD sufferers
- Prescription drug therapies, such as SSRIs, can provide some relief but may have side effects
- Combining talk therapy with drug treatment can improve outcomes
- MDMA-assisted therapy is being explored as a potential treatment for PTSD
- PTSD affects brain circuitry and neural communication between the brain and body
- MDMA can reduce the levels of activity in the hippocampal-amygdala-insula circuitry, potentially providing relief for PTSD sufferers
Clinical Trials
- Maps group has conducted clinical trials to study the effects of MDMA-assisted therapy on PTSD
- Trials involve giving patients talk therapy and MDMA or talk therapy and placebo
- Patients have already done talk therapy without MDMA, then do talk therapy under the influence of MDMA, and finally do sessions of talk therapy not under the influence of MDMA
- Placebo group does the same number of therapy sessions but without MDMA
Results
- Overall rate for clinically effective response to MDMA-assisted therapy is 88% vs. 60% for the placebo and therapy alone
- MDMA-assisted therapy has the potential to provide significant relief for PTSD sufferers and may lead to legalization for clinical use in the future
MDMA-Assisted Therapy for PTSD - 390-minute therapy sessions with two therapists
- Discuss PTSD symptoms and traumatic events
- No drugs involved in these sessions
- Participants divided into two groups
- One group receives MDMA during three therapy sessions
- First session: 80mg MDMA + 40mg booster
- Second session: 120mg MDMA + optional 60mg booster
- Third session: 120mg MDMA + optional 60mg booster
- Other group receives placebo during three therapy sessions
- One group receives MDMA during three therapy sessions
- Results
- 88% success rate for MDMA-assisted therapy vs. 60% for therapy and placebo
- 67% of people in the MDMA group no longer met criteria for PTSD by the end of treatment
- No other known treatment for a psychiatric disorder with such a high success rate
Additional Findings
- MDMA-assisted therapy also helped resolve alcohol use disorder and other substance use disorders in many cases
- Dissociative form of PTSD, which is usually hard to treat, showed improvement with MDMA-assisted therapy
- Allows patients to get closer to traumatic experiences and reframe them in a more empathetic context
- MDMA being explored for treatment of depression, alcohol use disorder, and eating disorders as well
- MDMA seems to enhance the effectiveness of talk therapy within a limited number of sessions
- Potential for cost-effective mental health care and relief from various mental health issues
MDMA Therapy for PTSD - Clinical studies show positive results for MDMA therapy in treating PTSD
- No increase in suicide attempts or suicidality observed in MDMA therapy group
- MDMA combined with talk therapy significantly reduces PTSD symptoms
- MAPS group working to keep MDMA therapy within legal and legislative boundaries
MDMA Effects
- Synthesized by humans, not plants or animals
- Increases dopamine and serotonin, creating highly motivated, prosocial, empathic states
- Potential for neurotoxicity, but data suggests reasonable doses may not be neurotoxic
Neuroplasticity and Mental Health
- MDMA therapy aims to access neuroplasticity, the nervous system’s ability to modify itself in response to experience
- Goal is to improve the functioning of the nervous system
- MDMA is part of a larger trend in exploring compounds like psilocybin, LSD, ayahuasca, and ketamine for mental health treatment
Supporting MDMA Research
- MAPS conducting clinical trials on MDMA therapy
- Public interest in these trials is expected to grow
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