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Intro
- Carl and Peter were friends in med school at Stanford
- Carl was in the MDPhD program, which is highly selective
- Carl majored in biochemical sciences at Harvard
- Carl was interested in the brain and wanted to understand it at the cellular level
- Carl initially wanted to go into neurosurgery to have direct access to the human brain
- Carl did his PhD in the same lab as two other friends of Peter’s
- Peter initially wanted to do pediatric oncology but didn’t enjoy it
- Peter fell in love with neurosurgery during a rotation at Hopkins
- Carl enjoyed his neurosurgery rotation and found it fascinating
- Carl noticed a decline in willingness to philosophize among neurosurgery residents as they progressed through their training
Psychiatry Rotation Experience - Initially had a “get me through it” attitude
- Rotation in the locked unit at the VA Hospital
- Patients with severe mental illnesses
- Exposure to acute schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, etc.
- Transformative experience
- Witnessed immense suffering and disability
- Intrigued by the difference in realities between patient and doctor
- Compelled by the mystery of emotions and feelings in the brain
Decision to Pursue Psychiatry
- Shift from neurosurgery to psychiatry
- Driven by the desire to understand and solve the mysteries of the brain
- Motivated by the instinct to help and heal
- Acknowledged that current tools and treatments were limited
- Hoped for progress in science and medicine to improve patient care
- Adjustment period
- Had to reshape personal and professional trajectory
- Friends and family had to adjust their expectations
- Ultimately found fulfillment in pursuing psychiatry
Balancing Residency and Research
- Residencies were demanding, especially 20 years ago
- Research moves quickly, stepping aside for even a year can make it difficult to catch up
- MD-PhD students often face the hard choice between focusing on being a physician or a researcher
- Research track residencies help keep scientific minds alive during residency, but not enough to gain momentum
Personal Challenges
- Balancing residency, lab work, and being a single father
- Having a child helped prioritize what mattered most and reduced stress from lab and clinic work
Setting Up a Lab
- Lab started to be set up in 2004, hit full steam between 2006 and 2009
- Clinical training and residency shaped the problems to be solved in the lab
Psychiatry Treatments and Their Limitations
- Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) is effective for treatment-resistant depression but has side effects and is not a permanent fix
- Vagus nerve stimulation and transcranial magnetic stimulation had small effects on the population level and were not fully understood
- No medications fully understood in terms of their mechanisms of action
The Need for Basic Science
- Psychiatry field was unmoored from scientific understanding
- No specific way of causing something to happen to a particular kind of cell
- Goal: build an approach to provide precise causality and understanding of brain structure and cells
Neuroanatomy and Neurophysiology - The brain has approximately 90 billion neurons
- Neurons are complex, self-contained units that generate electricity
- Neurons send information through axons (outgoing connections) and receive information through dendrites
- The interface between neurons is called a synapse, where information is transmitted through chemicals
- The brain has conserved deep structures (e.g., hypothalamus) and a more advanced cortex in humans
Brain Layers and Evolution
- Vertebrates (e.g., fish, mice, humans) share a basic brain plan
- Evolution has scaled up the brain and added new structures
- The cortex is a thin layer on the surface of the brain, responsible for complex cognitive functions
- Deeper structures, like the hypothalamus, govern primary needs (e.g., salt balance, avoiding danger, mating, sleeping, thermoregulation)
Brain Stem and Neurons
- The brain stem is highly conserved across vertebrates
- Neurons can release multiple neurotransmitters (e.g., dopamine, serotonin, glutamate, GABA)
- Neurons can also release neuropeptides
- Different cells have different receptors for chemicals, leading to various effects
Establishing Causality in Brain Function
- Prior to recent advancements, electrodes were used to listen to and stimulate neurons
- This method lacked cell specificity, as all neurons are electrical
- Stimulating regions of the brain provided some information, but uncertainty remained regarding which cells were responsible for specific functions
- Turning off specific neurons was also a challenge
Optogenetics and Channelrhodopsins - Optogenetics: technology that allows for cell type-specific control using light
- Channelrhodopsins: light-activated proteins found in single-celled algae and bacteria
- Known since 1971, discovered by Dieter Osterhelt and Walter Stokenius
- Receive a photon of light and move charged particles (ions) across the cell membrane
- Late 1990s: better ways to introduce genes into neurons developed
- Viruses used to introduce DNA or RNA into cells
- Safe, modified viruses used to shuttle DNA into cells without further propagation
Introducing Genes into Neurons
- DNA: instruction manual for making proteins
- Each gene is a sequence of nucleotides (A, G, C, T)
- The order of nucleotides dictates which protein will be made
- RNA: intermediate step between DNA and protein
- Viruses: professional introducers of genetic material into cells
- Some work with DNA, some with RNA
- Evolved to introduce genetic material into cells
- Safe, modified viruses used to introduce genes into neurons
- Dose of virus determines how many cells will pick up the channel
- Higher concentration of viral particles results in more cells being affected
Optogenetics and Viral Gene Introduction
- Optogenetics: using light to control neurons
- Viral gene introduction: using viruses to introduce genes into cells
- Can get hundreds or more copies of the gene per cell
- Generates bigger currents with microbial options
- Challenges in targeting specific cell types
- Engineering virus capsid proteins to target specific cells
- Difficult due to lack of understanding of cell surface proteins
- Using promoters and enhancers in DNA
- Define cell types by their jobs (e.g., dopamine-producing cells)
- Borrow promoters from specific genes (e.g., tyrosine hydroxylase gene for dopamine)
- Put the promoter in front of the channelrhodopsin gene and package it into a virus
- Inject the virus into cells, and the gene is only expressed in the targeted cells
- Engineering virus capsid proteins to target specific cells
Immune System Response to Viral Gene Introduction
- Immune system recognizes foreign antigens presented on the surface of infected cells
- How to prevent the immune system from destroying cells with introduced genes?
- Potential strategies include:
- Using immunosuppressive drugs to reduce immune response
- Modifying viral vectors to reduce immunogenicity
- Using non-viral methods for gene delivery
Optogenetics and Dopamine Neurons
- Potential strategies include:
- Optogenetics: a technique that allows scientists to control specific neurons using light
- In 2009, researchers used optogenetics to study dopamine neurons in mice
- Introduced excitatory channelrhodopsin into dopamine neurons in the ventral tegmental area (VTA)
- Tested mice in a two-room house, activating dopamine neurons with light in one room only
- Mice preferred the room where the light was applied, showing positive valence
- Conditioned place preference test: an old test where animals reveal their preference for positive or negative experiences based on where they choose to spend time
- Can be adapted to make animals work for light by pressing a lever or poking their nose in a hole
- Mice will work hard for light that activates dopamine neurons, showing the activity is positive and valuable
Appreciation of Optogenetics in Psychiatry
- Scientific psychiatry community quickly appreciated the potential of optogenetics
- Recognized the need for specificity in the field
- By 2009, the generality of targeting methods made the technique widely applicable
- Thousands of labs around the world adopted optogenetics, leading to many discoveries
- Funding for optogenetics research came from various sources, including NIH, DARPA, National Science Foundation, and private donors
Anxiety and Psychiatry - Anxiety can be normal or maladaptive
- Normal anxiety has an evolutionary basis for self-preservation
- Maladaptive anxiety impairs social or occupational functioning
- Anxiety disorders are treated with medications like Valium, Xanax, and Adavan
- Effective but can be addictive and cause cognitive slowing and sedation
- Work through GABA agonism, but specific neurons targeted are not well understood
Optogenetics and Anxiety
- Anxiety has different components: physiology, behavior, and negative valence
- Optogenetics experiments in 2013 targeted different parts of the anxiety pathway
- Different cells control each component of anxiety
- Behavioral avoidance of anxiety can be separated from negative valence in mice
Optogenetics and Parenting
- Catherine Dulac at Harvard used optogenetics to study parenting in mice
- Parenting broken down into sub-features: retrieving young and grooming them
- Different cells control each aspect of parenting
Autism and Anxiety
- Autism has a significant genetic component and a wide spectrum of functionality
- Anxiety often tracks closely with autism, but the exact relationship is not well understood
Autism and Anxiety - Autism is a complex condition with no specific medication to treat it
- Anxiety is a common comorbid symptom in people with autism
- Social interactions are complicated and can be overwhelming for those with autism
- Difficulty in keeping up with the fast rate of social information and making sense of it
- Anxiety in autism can be treated with medications like benzodiazepines
Autism and Genetics
- Autism has a strong genetic component, but it involves many different genes
- The genetic underpinnings are complex and have not yet led to specific treatments
Future Autism Treatments
- Optogenetics has provided a window into potential autism treatments
- Studying social interaction in mice with autism-related mutations
- Identifying specific cells and circuits in the brain that can improve social interaction
- Future treatments may involve medications designed to target specific cells important for social interaction
Optogenetics as a Treatment Tool
- Optogenetics is primarily a discovery and understanding tool
- Helps identify causal cellular relationships in the brain
- Opens doors for various treatment options, including medications and brain stimulation
- Optogenetics has been used to restore some sight in a blind person, but its primary importance is as a discovery tool
Projections: A Book on Mental Illness
- The book “Projections” by Dr. Karl Deisseroth explores various mental illnesses through an accessible and artistic writing style
- The goal is to help readers understand and feel what altered states like mania, schizophrenia, and eating disorders might be like
- The writing style is adapted in each chapter to evoke the feeling of the specific mental state being discussed
Writing Process and Personal Experience with Psychiatry - Author’s passion for writing and sharing knowledge
- Wrote the book between 2017 and 2020
- Looked forward to writing sessions, enjoyed finding the right words and phrases
Evolutionary Basis for Mental Illness
- Discussion of mania and its evolutionary basis
- Connection between recent immigrants and higher prevalence of hypomania in North America
- Bipolar disorder is highly genetic, with strong links to other psychiatric disorders
- Monozygotic twins have a high concordance rate for bipolar type one, autism, depression, and schizophrenia
Mania and Bipolar Disorder
- Mania is the positive pole of bipolar disorder, with depression being the negative pole
- Manic episodes can be characterized by elevated mood, increased goal-directed activity, risk-taking, and reduced need for sleep
- Mania can lead to poor decisions and self-harm, especially during the transition from depression to mania
- Some people with bipolar disorder may not experience depression, but most do
Spectrum of Mania and Hypomania
- Hypomanic state may be beneficial for immigrants who need sustained energy and motivation to adapt to new environments
- Mania and hypomania exist on a spectrum, and understanding the full spectrum is important for understanding human behavior
Depression and Bipolar Disorder
- The reason for the pairing of depression and mania in bipolar disorder is not well understood
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Possible explanations include the exhaustion of neural resources or a neural circuit state that becomes depleted over time
Optogenetics and Depression - Anxiety disorders are the most common psychiatric disorders, followed by depression
- Depression has various components:
- Depressed mood
- Hopelessness
- Anhedonia (absence of pleasure)
- Optogenetics has helped understand depression and its components
- Anhedonia: Overactivity in the prefrontal cortical areas can cause anhedonia, affecting dopamine neurons and reward circuitry
- Hopelessness: Can be measured in animals by observing their behavior in inescapable situations
Evolutionary Basis for Depression
- Depression may have evolved as a form of withdrawal or passivity, similar to hibernation
- Conserving energy during difficult times
- Reducing drive for social interaction and seeking rewards
- The negative aspect of depression (psychic pain) is not well understood
- Depression may be an evolutionary “hack” that is not fully evolved or under the right controls
Depression in Primates
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Non-human primates can experience maladaptive states similar to grief
Depression in Non-Human Primates - Bereaved states in non-human primates can result in maladaptive behaviors
- Example: a young primate losing its mother may lose motivation to feed and protect itself, leading to death
- This could be considered a depressed-like state due to grief from bereavement
- No clear evidence of self-harm or suicide in non-human primates
- Some animals may exhibit less severe self-harm behaviors, like head banging
- True suicide requires a complex understanding of the self and the universe, which may not be present in non-human animals
Trauma and Depression
- Early childhood trauma has lasting effects on mental health, including depression and personality disorders
- Trauma may cause changes in brain circuitry or gene expression throughout life
- Intergenerational transfer of trauma is still controversial, but there are mechanisms in animals
- Emotional tears are unique to humans and can trigger a desire to help in others
- Involuntary expression of tears may have evolved as a social signal for needing help or support
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