Dr. Susanna Søberg: How to Use Cold & Heat Exposure to Improve Your Health
In this episode, Huberman interviews Dr. Søberg on the effects of deliberate cold and heat exposure on metabolism, cardiovascular health, and brain function. They discuss how these practices improve glucose metabolism, balance hormones, decrease inflammation, and enhance energy, mood, and focus. They compare different methods such as cold showers, cold immersion, and saunas, providing actionable tools for optimizing health.
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Cold Exposure and the Nervous System
- Sympathetic nervous system responsible for accelerations in heart rate, feelings of alertness, and stress response
- Catecholamines: dopamine, epinephrine, and norepinephrine
- Cold exposure activates sympathetic nervous system and catecholamines
- Cold shock: activation of sympathetic nervous system and catecholamines, causing hyperventilation and gasping reflex
- Adaptation to cold exposure can reduce the shock response
Cold Exposure Protocols
- Uncomfortably cold temperatures are ideal for cold exposure
- Cold shock response can be used as a gauge for cold exposure
- People vary in their ability to embrace the discomfort of cold exposure
- More sensitive nervous systems may feel more pain from cold exposure
Types of Cold Exposure
- Cold water immersion: more potent activation of cold receptors in the skin, rapid activation of autonomic nervous system
- Cold air exposure: activates sympathetic nervous system, increases norepinephrine, and activates brown fat
- Cold showers: activates brown fat immediately, potentially increases metabolism
Brown Fat Activation
- Brown fat: healthy fat tissue that increases metabolism when activated
- Activated by cold exposure on the skin
- First responder in the body to maintain temperature
- Muscles are the secondary tissue to increase thermogenesis through shivering
Cold Shower Studies
- Fewer studies on cold showers due to methodological challenges
- Difficult to control variables such as water direction, body size, and clothing
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Cultural and logistical barriers to conducting cold shower research in laboratories
Cold Exposure and Brown Fat Activation - Cold exposure activates brown fat
- Cold receptors in the skin send signals to the hypothalamus
- Hypothalamus activates brown fat
- Direct pathway from cold receptors in the skin to brown fat
- Shivering in muscles also activates brown fat
- Shivering is a natural response to cold and can be beneficial
- Increases metabolism and burns calories
- Trains cells and muscles, increasing insulin sensitivity
- Creates healthy stress (hormesis) in cells, making them more robust
- Long-term benefits of cold exposure
- Increases catecholamines (dopamine, norepinephrine, epinephrine) for hours after exposure
- Improves blood pressure
- Enhances metabolism and brown fat function
- Increases cold tolerance and overall “fitness” for cold environments
The Importance of Shivering
- Shivering should not be avoided, as it is a natural response to cold
- Trains cells and muscles, increasing insulin sensitivity
- Creates healthy stress (hormesis) in cells, making them more robust
- Shivering can be compared to exercise
- Both create healthy stress in cells and improve overall health
- Both increase metabolism and burn calories
- Both train the body to be more resilient and adaptable
Adaptations from Cold Exposure
- Regular cold exposure leads to adaptations in the body
- Improved cold tolerance
- Enhanced metabolism and brown fat function
- Increased insulin sensitivity
- Lower blood pressure and inflammation at rest
Cold Exposure and Adaptation
- Cold exposure leads to increased comfort and adaptation
- Metabolic changes, such as increased brown fat activation
- Improved capillary constriction in the skin
- Reduced stress response and catecholamine release over time
- Increased metabolism and insulin sensitivity
- Study by GIBR Stormer et al. (2016) showed improved insulin sensitivity in middle-aged men and women after a winter swimming season
- Lower blood pressure and heart rate observed after the season
Blood Pressure and Cold Exposure
- Blood pressure is a crucial factor in overall health
- Cerebrovascular and cardiovascular diseases are leading causes of death worldwide
- Controlling blood pressure is essential for preventing these diseases
- Deliberate cold exposure can help control blood pressure, especially when combined with other forms of exercise
Brown Fat
- Brown fat is plastic, meaning it can grow and decrease
- Can be activated by increased norepinephrine in the body
- Studies show that brown fat can grow in response to certain conditions, such as pheochromocytoma (a tumor on the adrenal gland)
- Brown fat decreases with age, potentially leading to obesity
- Insulin sensitivity decreases as brown fat decreases
- People who work outside and engage in physical labor tend to have more brown fat and better overall health
- Improved insulin sensitivity and glucose balance
- Lower blood pressure and heart rate
Insulin Sensitivity
- Insulin sensitivity is a desirable trait for overall health
- Insulin insensitivity is associated with type 2 diabetes and obesity
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Regular physical activity and cold exposure can help maintain insulin sensitivity and overall health
Brown Fat Activation and Cold Exposure - Brown fat can be activated with just a little bit of exposure to cold
- Cold is the most potent stressor activator of brown fat
- Studies have shown that just putting a hand in cold water can activate brown fat
- Going outside in a T‑shirt, wearing cooling vests, or exposing oneself to cold wind can activate brown fat
- Sleeping in a cold room can also activate and grow brown fat
- Studies have shown that sleeping in 19 degrees Celsius can activate and grow brown fat
- Increased insulin sensitivity observed in subjects who slept in 19 degrees Celsius for a month
- Brown fat activation can help decrease unhealthy white fat and improve insulin sensitivity
- Cold adaptation can occur rapidly due to the growth of more mitochondria in brown fat cells
Scandinavian Saying about Cold Exposure
- In the fall, wear fewer layers to prepare for the cold of winter and activate brown fat
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In the spring, wear more layers to be a little uncomfortably warm, so that in the heat of the summer, the body is better at cooling itself
Scandinavian Cold Exposure and Immune System - Scandinavians have a tradition of exposing themselves to cold temperatures
- Believed to increase resilience to cold and improve immune system
- Babies are put outside to sleep in cold temperatures
- Children run around in t‑shirts in cold weather to activate brown fat
- Cold water swimming is a popular activity in Scandinavia
- Believed to activate metabolism and improve health
Study on Cold Exposure, Sauna, and Brown Fat
- Aimed to explore the effects of cold water swimming on brown fat activation
- Proof of concept study with a small number of participants
- Main outcome measured through PET-CT scans of brown fat
- Also looked at white fat through fat biopsies
- First year of the study was observational, with the researcher immersing herself in the winter swimming culture
- Gained firsthand experience of the effects of cold exposure
- Found that initial cold exposure was uncomfortable, but the body adapted over time
Personal Experience with Cold Exposure
- Andrew Huberman practices deliberate cold exposure every morning for 1–2 minutes in a cold plunge
- Believes it has positive effects on his mood and energy levels
Cold Exposure and Health Benefits
- Believes it has positive effects on his mood and energy levels
- Cold showers and cold plunges can activate the sympathetic autonomic response
- Increased blood pressure, heart rate, release of norepinephrine, adrenaline, and dopamine
- Parasympathetic response (calming relaxation) is activated when submerging face or body in cold water
- This is known as the diving reflex
- Slows down oxygen consumption, preserving oxygen to prevent hypothermia
- Activates serotonin in the brain, promoting mental balance
- Cold exposure can increase energy levels and provide a positive feeling
- Women have more brown fat than men, affecting their response to cold exposure
- Thermocomfortable state differs between genders
- Men: 22 degrees Celsius
- Women: 24 degrees Celsius
Cold Exposure Study
- Proof of concept study with winter swimmers
- Participants had been swimming for 2–3 seasons
- Swam 2–3 times per week, staying in the water for 1–2 minutes
- Study aimed to determine the lowest dose of cold exposure that still provided health benefits
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More research needed on the effects of cold exposure on mental balance and well-being
Winter Swimming Study -
Participants: Winter swimmers with experience
- Activity: Cold water immersion and sauna sessions
- 2–3 times per week
- 3 rounds of cold water immersion (1–2 minutes each) and 2 sauna sessions (10–15 minutes each)
- Cold water temperature ranged from 2–12 degrees Celsius
- Sauna temperature around 80 degrees Celsius
- Measurements taken:
- Brown fat activity using infrared camera and PET MRI scanning
- Insulin sensitivity and glucose clearance
- Electromyography of muscles to measure shivering
- Participants’ perception of cold and comfort
Findings
- Winter swimmers had increased insulin sensitivity
- Produced less insulin on all experimental days
- Faster glucose clearance in the bloodstream after consuming a glucose drink
- Winter swimmers had less vigorous shivering when exposed to cold
- Perception of cold was similar between groups, but muscle activation was different
- Brown fat activation was measured during cold exposure and thermocomfortable states
- PET MRI scanning used to visualize brown fat in subjects
- Infrared camera used to measure temperature as an outcome for brown fat activity
- Participants’ comfort levels were measured using a visual analog scale
- Scale ranged from 1 (very cold) to 10 (very hot), with 5 being thermocomfortable
- Participants rated their comfort throughout the study days
Implications
- Regular cold water immersion and sauna sessions may improve insulin sensitivity and glucose clearance
- Winter swimmers may experience less vigorous shivering when exposed to cold
- Brown fat activation can be measured using PET MRI scanning and infrared cameras
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Individual comfort levels and responses to cold and heat exposure may vary
Cold and Heat Exposure Benefits - Cold exposure benefits:
- Reduced blood sugar
- More efficient clearance of blood sugar
- Reduced insulin
- Improved brown fat distribution and density
- Heat exposure benefits:
- Improved cardiovascular health
- Increased heat shock proteins in cells, which repair cells
Thresholds for Benefits
- Cold exposure:
- 11 minutes total per week
- Divided into 2–3 sessions of 1–3 minutes each
- Heat exposure (sauna):
- 57 minutes total per week
- Divided into 2–3 sessions of 10–15 minutes each
Other Observations
- Improved sleep quality for cold exposure participants
- Increased comfort in cold environments
- Reduced social anxiety and increased comfort with showing skin
Note: These observations are anecdotal and not part of the main study findings.
Nude Beaches and Winter Swimming Culture
- Nude beaches more common in Europe than the United States
- Winter swimming culture in Denmark has existed for hundreds of years
- Oldest winter swimming club in Copenhagen has members swim naked
- Saunas available for mixed-gender and separate-gender use
- No difference in cold exposure benefits between wearing a bathing suit or swimming naked
- Some people feel more free and in touch with nature when skinny dipping
Clothing Optional Facilities
- Clothing optional facilities are becoming more popular as deliberate cold exposure and sauna use increase
- Examples: Archimedes Banya in San Francisco, Spa 88 in New York
- These facilities have a focus on health and wellness, not on nudity
Brown Fat Negative Participant
- One participant in the study had no brown fat
- Not obese, as that would have disqualified him from the study
- Struggled to control shivering during the cooling experiment
- Blood samples and insulin levels were more similar to the control group
- Blood glucose clearance was not as fast as other winter swimmers
- This participant was considered an outlier and removed from the analysis
Additional Benefits of Deliberate Cold Exposure
- Cold exposure can help lower inflammation in the body
- Measured by IL‑6 and IL-10 markers in the study
- Lowering inflammation can help prevent lifestyle diseases like type 2 diabetes
- Also linked to reducing the risk of mental diseases like depression, anxiety, and Alzheimer’s
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Exposure to temperature changes can help the body reset and repair itself
Cold Exposure and Health - Modern sedentary lifestyle has made us more temperature comfortable
- Obesity increases in the 1980s due to more comfortable lifestyles
- Cold and heat exposure, exercise, and fasting can increase hormetic stress in the body
- Helps maintain a natural balance
The Soberg Principle: Ending on Cold
- Ending on cold forces the body to heat up by itself
- Activates brown fat and muscles for thermogenesis
- Exercise for the body continues for hours after cold exposure
- Increases neurotransmitters and makes brown fat cells more efficient
- Winter swimmers have higher skin temperature compared to control group
- More vascular skin due to cold and heat contrast
- Higher heat loss, but keeps brown fat and muscles activated
Fasted vs. Fed Cold Exposure
- No clear studies on benefits of cold exposure while fasted or fed
- More research needed
Cold Exposure for Disease Symptoms
- Raynaud’s syndrome: poor blood flow to extremities, causing coldness and discoloration
- No specific studies on cold exposure for Raynaud’s syndrome
- Logically, exposure to cold and heat could help improve vascularization
- Autoimmune conditions and other diseases: no specific studies on cold exposure benefits
- Anecdotal reports of improvements, but more research needed
Practicalities of Deliberate Cold Exposure
- Keeping hands out of cold water or wearing neoprene booties can help with discomfort
- Full body still covered in cold receptors for activation
- Back of the head headache during cold immersion
Cold Exposure in Children and Gender Differences
- Children and cold exposure:
- Children are smaller in mass, so protocols for adults may not directly apply to them
- One study compared heat loss in 12-year-old boys and adult men during cold exposure
- Boys could defend their core temperature similarly to adults, but had to use their muscles faster
- They could handle cold exposure for about 1 minute, but would be colder when coming out due to their smaller mass-to-surface ratio
- Children can defend their temperature for a shorter time and are at a higher risk of hypothermia
- It’s important to approach cold exposure with caution for children, starting with cold showers and gradually progressing to cold immersion
- Male and female differences in cold exposure:
- There may be differences in how men and women respond to cold exposure, but more research is needed to fully understand these differences
- Some studies suggest that women may have a higher tolerance for cold exposure due to higher body fat percentages, which can provide insulation
- Other studies indicate that men may have a greater ability to generate heat through shivering and non-shivering thermogenesis
- It’s important for individuals to listen to their own bodies and adjust their cold exposure practices accordingly, regardless of gender
Differences in Cold Exposure for Men and Women
- Women have more brown fat and increased metabolism in their brown fat
- Cold exposure, such as winter swimming with the 11-minute protocol, can be beneficial for women as well
- Differences in men and women may affect how long they can stay in cold water without getting hypothermic
Cold Exposure Protocol
- Short, frequent exposures to cold are more beneficial than longer, less frequent exposures
- Changing temperatures during a session can strengthen cells and create hormetic stress
- Keeping the body’s temperature system off balance helps keep it tuned
Circadian Time and Cold Exposure
- Body temperature changes throughout the day, affecting cold exposure benefits
- Going from warm to cold and from cold to warm is more important than the specific temperature or duration of exposure
- Varying temperatures during cold exposure can help keep the body’s system off balance and tuned
Ongoing Study on Cold Exposure
- A new study is being conducted on both men and women, but the data and results are still in preliminary analysis
- The study aims to provide more information on the effects of cold exposure on both genders
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