Tim Ferriss: How to Learn Better & Create Your Best Future
Huberman interviews Tim Ferriss, a bestselling author, investor, and host of The Tim Ferriss Show. They explore Tim’s approach to exploration, experimentation, and mastery. Tim shares tips for success in new endeavors, incorporating structure and playfulness, finding mentors, and leveraging location and networks. They also discuss Tim’s philanthropy and latest projects.
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Tim Ferriss’ Process for The Four Hour Body
- Explored new, very old, and orphaned ideas
- Interviewed experts in various fields
- Asked about what nerds are doing on weekends or at night
- Asked about what rich people are doing now that might become widespread in the future
- Looked for areas where people were cobbling together awkward solutions
- Studied extreme cases to inform the mean
- Examples: racehorses, bodybuilding, high-level athletes, billionaires, rich people
- Assumed practitioners would be ahead of scientific papers
- Coaches and athletes’ performance often lead to peer-reviewed exercise science papers, but with a lag time of at least 3–5 years
Tim Ferriss’ Approach to Structured Thinking
- Both structured and unstructured thinking
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Some exploration was a structured practice, while other ideas were allowed to naturally surface
Tim Ferriss on Writing and Routines -
Tim Ferriss has a habit of capturing almost everything in writing
- Wrote The Four Hour Body as a “choose your own adventure” book
- Used a program called Scrivener for gathering research and drafts
- Gathered data from various sources, including Evernote
- Writing schedule: 9 PM to 4 AM, when the rest of the world is inactive
- This schedule worked well for him, but it’s challenging for maintaining a social life
- Some creators need space and lack of distractions to be productive
- Writers often find ways to avoid writing
Anecdata and Case Studies
- Many discoveries begin as case studies or case histories
- Most knowledge about human memory comes from one patient, HM, who had his hippocampi removed for epilepsy
- Not all research will receive funding for randomized control trials (RCTs)
Self-Experimentation and Scientific Literacy
- Important to not fool oneself and be able to read studies well
- Becoming literate in scientific studies provides a significant life advantage
- Peter Attia’s “Studying the Studies” blog series is a helpful resource
BPC 157
- Gastric peptide synthesized for injection into tissue for healing or improvement
- Lacks published data, but has anecdotal evidence of healing injuries faster
- Unlikely to have a controlled trial due to lack of financial incentives and career risks for researchers
Supplement Fails
- Experimenting with supplements can lead to failures and negative side effects
- Example: Trans-resveratrol caused joint pain and was discontinued
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Example: Bulbine Natalensis spiked testosterone levels but caused a crash and testicular pain after 7–10 days of use
Supplement Fails and Experimental Fails -
Discussing the idea of a “Supplement Fails” podcast
- Importance of being cautious with injections and potential infections
Platelet-Rich Plasma (PRP)
- Can be useful for certain types of injury or repair
- Risks include potential infections from injections
Slow Carb Diet
- High adherence rate and effective for many people
- Can be done on a reasonable budget
- Includes the infamous “cheat day”
- Works well for maintaining energy levels and performance in various activities
30 Grams of Protein Within 30 Minutes of Waking
- Counterintuitive but effective for many people
- Helps with appetite suppression and thermic effect of food
- Can lead to a net decrease in daily calories consumed
Time Restricted Feeding and Intermittent Fasting
- Some people lose muscle mass when not done correctly
- Important to monitor body composition and hydration levels
- Fasting can be effective when done properly
Ketosis and Metabolic Psychiatry
- The impact of diet on mental health is becoming more widely recognized
- Specific diet protocols can be used to treat mental health issues
- The connection between mind and body is important to consider in overall health
Power of Places
- The role of places in personal and professional growth
- High-density areas can provide valuable networking opportunities
- Examples: New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Ottawa (Shopify), Pittsburgh (Duolingo)
- Consider moving to a high-density area for a period of time to grow and build capabilities
Volunteering and Networking
- Volunteer at events with interesting speakers and attendees
- Be proactive and go above and beyond in your volunteering role
- Producers of events will notice your hard work and dedication
- This can lead to invitations to join meetings, plan future events, and recruit speakers
- Build your network by being professional, on time, and easy to work with
- High performers will notice and appreciate these qualities
In-Person Networking
- Focus on the uncrowded channel of in-person networking
- Attend conferences and interact with humans in the hallway
- Approach panelists and moderators after events
- Moderators are often overlooked and can provide valuable connections
- Be genuine and express your interests and goals
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This can lead to introductions and opportunities in your desired field
Building Networks and Asking Questions -
Approach networking by genuinely connecting with people
- Focus on developing deeper relationships rather than collecting contacts
- Avoid trying to connect with famous people for the sake of social validation
- Ask yourself important questions to examine your motivations
- Example: “If I could never talk about this, would I do it?”
- Collect and revisit powerful questions
- Questions can help with self-inquiry and personal growth
- Example: “What would you do if you knew you were going to fail?”
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Journaling can help refine the questions you ask yourself
- Helps to cross-examine and stress test your beliefs and certainties
Exploring Psychedelics
- Helps to cross-examine and stress test your beliefs and certainties
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Tim Ferriss’ first experience with psychedelics
- During his undergraduate years at Princeton
- Initially a psychology major with a focus on neuroscience
- First tried mushrooms recreationally
- Consumed a large amount (over 5 grams)
- Experience was bizarre, nonlinear, and unlike anything he had experienced before
- Led to a curiosity about the compounds and their effects on the brain
- Wrote a paper in 1998 or 1999
- Examined potential similarities between REM sleep and LSD-25
- Looked at patterns of neural activity
- Professor Barry Jacobs
- Worked on serotonergic systems
- Studied cats, as they sleep a lot and are interesting to study
- Tim Ferriss’ interest in psychedelics
- Driven by the unknown and the potential for growth in understanding
- More interested in areas that baffle most people examining them
Animal Research in Neuroscience
- Tim Ferriss struggled with the idea of animal research
- Specifically, the process of injecting retroviruses into rats and then bleeding them to death to avoid bruising of the tissue
- Decided he couldn’t do it and transferred out of neuroscience
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Andrew Huberman’s laboratory
- Shutting down mouse work
- Prefers to work on humans, as they can give consent and house themselves
- Animal research is tough for any sentient being, but there is a place for it in scientific research
Personal Experience with Psychedelics
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Suffered from major depressive disorder and extended depressive episodes
- On average, three to four episodes a year, lasting a few weeks to a few months
- Noticed an afterglow effect from higher dose experiences with mushrooms (psilocybin)
- Antidepressant or mood-elevating effect lasting far longer than the half-life of the substance
- Had a scary experience that led to stopping the use of psychedelics
- Revisited the idea in 2012–2013 after witnessing the transformation of a girlfriend through Ayahuasca
- Approached psychedelics systematically with safeguards and proper supervision
- Personal outcome: from three to four depressive episodes per year to one every two years
Exploring Meditation and Psychedelics
- Started Transcendental Meditation ™ during a period of acute stress
- Described as a “warm bath for your mind” that helps with relaxation and anxiety
- Began examining how to approach taking psychedelics in a logical sequence with proper protections and safety assurances
- Took copious notes over the span of ten-plus years
Funding Psychedelic Research
- Initially funded early-stage science, such as Adam Ghazali’s lab at UCSF
- Research on software to attenuate or reverse age-related cognitive impairment
- Committed to funding psychedelic research once financially able
- Saw potential in the field due to limited funding and high leverage
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Crowdfunded for a Johns Hopkins pilot study on psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression
- No negative blowback, and support from others in the field
- Realized that the perception of psychedelics did not match the reality
- People want solutions for mental health issues, even if it involves psychedelics
Tim Ferriss on Psychedelics and Mental Health
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Tim Ferriss has been a strong advocate for mental health therapeutics, including psychedelics
- Believes they can challenge much of what we assume to be true about treating mental health
- Attracted to the field because it’s uncrowded and high-leverage
- Ferriss has funded various projects and initiatives related to psychedelics
- Crowdfunding for the Hopkins Treatment Resistant Depression Pilot study
- Ferris UC Berkeley Journalism Fellowship in partnership with Michael Pollan
- Provides funding to journalists focusing on psychedelics as their beat
- Aims to shape and inform national and international discourse on the topic
- Harvard Poplar: first dedicated team focused on law, policy, and regulation related to psychedelics from a legal perspective
- Developing curricula for Yale, Johns Hopkins, and NYU to train psychiatrists in administering psychedelic-assisted therapies
Future of Psychedelic Therapies
- MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for the treatment of trauma is likely to become legal within the next 12–24 months in the US
- Due to the efforts of Maps.org, Rick Doblin, and others
- Important for the future of other psychedelic therapies, such as psilocybin for alcohol use disorder and major depressive disorder
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Ferriss emphasizes the importance of breaking down the process of changing national policy and reclassification of compounds
- Focus on the critical few and execute the plan in a logical sequence
- Avoid trying to do everything at once, which is a common weakness in the psychedelic ecosystem
Sisa Foundation Outcomes
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Using the same filters and approach as in startup record
- Looking for high leverage, uncrowded bets with limited downside
Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS)
- Non-invasive technique
- Can inhibit specific brain areas or stimulate at particular frequencies
- Enhance neuroplasticity
- Potential synergistic effect with psychedelics
- Monotherapy for depression, anxiety, substance use disorders
Metabolic Psychiatry
- Ketosis and ketogenic diet effective for some patients with chaotic conditions
- Interested in off-the-beaten-path tools that raise interesting questions
Meditation Practices
- Tim Ferriss does 10–20 minutes in the morning
- Concentration practice with a mantra or guided meditation (e.g., Waking Up app by Sam Harris)
- Spending time in silence, in nature, without distractions
- Extended water fasts in nature
Reentry After Time in Nature
- Pre-during-post approach
- Putting better systems in place before going off the grid
- Ensuring the house doesn’t catch on fire while away
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Implementing policies and rules in advance
Nature Retreats and Mental Health -
Nature retreats can help with mental health and well-being
- Provides a break from daily routine and stressors
- Allows for reflection and recovery
- Importance of easing back into daily routine after a retreat
- Avoid jumping straight back into a busy schedule
- Gradually reintegrate to maintain benefits from the retreat
Mentors and Learning from Others
- Mentors can be friends or people you admire
- Can be older or younger than you
- Important to choose people who embody areas of life you want to emulate
- Learning from others can come from various sources
- Teachers, coaches, or even strangers
- Requires self-awareness to know what areas to work on
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Example: Matt Mullenweg, founder of Automatic
- Exemplifies a calm temperament in chaotic situations
- Can serve as a mentor for maintaining emotional balance
Balancing Inward and Outward Learning
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Inward learning: meditation, nature, psychedelics
- Outward learning: learning from others, paying attention to others
- Balancing mind allocation across the year and day
Yearly Mind Allocation
- Past Year Review (PYR) on New Year’s Eve
- Analyze positive and negative experiences from the past year
- Create a “do more of” and “do less of” list
- Schedule important activities for the upcoming year
Weekly Mind Allocation
- Create a weekly rhythm to focus on certain types of tasks
- Monday: administration tasks
- Schedule physical activity after lunch
- Avoid cognitive switching and task switching
Social Media and Time Management
- Time spent on social media can be detrimental to productivity
- Deleting social media apps from the phone can help with time management
- Importance of scheduling time for important activities
Cockpunch: A Creative Project
- Aims to make the creator less precious about their brand
- An investment in long-term mental health and career flexibility
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Experiment with fiction writing
Tim Ferriss’ Cockpunch Project -
Started as a way to explore creativity and fundraise for early-stage science
- Combines interests in Web Three, NFTs, illustration, and visual arts
- Raised almost $2 million for science, distributed through grants
- Project led to reconnecting with old friends, learning new technologies, and exercising creative muscles
- The Legend of Cockpunch: a fantasy world-building exercise in the form of short stories
- Takes place in the realm of Varlata
- Narrated by the 7th Scribe
- Features eight primary houses with anthropomorphized rooster characters
- The Great Games: a combat competition between the houses, nicknamed “Cockpunch”
- Project brings Tim Ferriss peace, contentment, and delight
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Demonstrates the importance of giving oneself permission to explore and challenge the impossible
Psychedelic Research and Funding -
Rapidly changing field of early-stage psychedelic science
- Foundations doing good work in the field:
- Riversticks Foundation
- Beckley Foundation
- Scise Foundation
- Scise Foundation supports various projects, from basic science to sophisticated imaging studies and phase three trials for MDMA-assisted psychotherapy
Tim Ferriss on Sharing Personal Struggles
- Discussed near-suicide in college
- Dark secret, never told parents or close friends
- Decided to write about it after an encounter with a young man who lost his brother to suicide
- Realized sharing his story could help others struggling with mental health
- Importance of discussing mental health and personal tribulations
- Helps others feel less alone in their struggles
- Encourages open conversation and support
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